Baidu placed AI chip order from Huawei in shift away from Nvidia
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Regarding the performance, the older 910 that unveiled in 2018, launched in 2019, has following performance reported by Reuters:

Huawei said the chip could deliver 256 TeraFLOPS for half-precision floating point (FP16) operations and 512 TeraOPS for integer precision calculations (INT8).

In comparison, the A100 40 GB PCIe that launched in mid 2020 has the performance of FP16 312 TFFLOPS and INT8 624 TOPS.

Reuters reported that 910 failed to break into Nvidia's market back then. In China Nvidia's market include Baidu, Ali, Tencent etc. But IMO the reason is more on the Nvidia ecosystem advantage over Huawei's, rather than performance.

Experts said Nvidia enjoyed a massive incumbent advantage over Huawei, with one key edge being the reliance of existing AI projects on Nvidia's software ecosystem. While Huawei has its own ecosystem version called CANN, analysts say it is much more limited in terms of the AI models it is capable of training.

The 910B was unveiled in Aug this year. its performance isn't known yet, but AI firm iFlyTek chairman Liu Qingfeng praised it as "basically the same as Nvidia's A100":

In August, the chairman of Chinese AI giant iFlyTek (002230.SZ), Liu Qingfeng, praised Huawei for producing a GPU that he said was "basically the same as Nvidia's A100" and said iFlyTek was working with Huawei to develop a hardware.

Chinese media outlet Yicai later reported that the hardware was powered by Ascend 910B, which had not been previously known.

So, Reuters don't actually have a clue on the perfomance of 910B. The significance of Baidu shifting from Nvidia to Huawei, is that Huawei has break a dent in Nvidia's market strong hold despite the later's advantage in ecosystem. This is of course largely done with the help of US ban.

Exclusive: Baidu placed AI chip order from Huawei in shift away from Nvidia

Reuters
November 8, 20233:59 AM GMT +8
Updated 6 hours ago

BEIJING/SHANGHAI, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Baidu (9888.HK) ordered artificial intelligence chips from Huawei (HWT.UL) this year, two people familiar with the matter said, adding to signs that U.S. pressure is prompting Chinese acceptance of the firm's products as an alternative to Nvidia's.

One of the people said Baidu, one of China's leading AI firms, which operates the Ernie large language model (LLM), placed the order in August, ahead of widely anticipated new rules by the U.S. government that in October tightened restrictions on exports of chips and chip tools to China, including those of U.S. chip giant Nvidia (NVDA.O).

Baidu ordered 1,600 of Huawei Technologies' 910B Ascend AI chips - which the Chinese firm developed as an alternative to Nvidia's A100 chip - for 200 servers, the source said, adding that by October, Huawei had delivered more 60% of the order, or about 1,000 chips, to Baidu.

The second person said that the order's total value was approximately 450 million yuan ($61.83 million) and that Huawei was to deliver all of the chips by the end of this year. Both people declined to be named because the details of the deal were confidential.

Although the order is tiny relative to the thousands of chips top Chinese tech firms have historically ordered from Nvidia, the sources said it was significant, as it showed how some firms could shift away from the U.S. company.

Baidu, alongside Chinese peers such as Tencent (0700.HK) and Alibaba (9988.HK), is known to be a long-time client of Nvidia. Baidu was not previously known to be a AI chip customer of Huawei.

Although Huawei's Ascend chips are still seen as far inferior to Nvidia's in terms of performance, the first source said they were the most sophisticated domestic option available in China.

"They were ordering 910B chips to prepare for a future where they may no longer be able to purchase from Nvidia," the first source said.

Baidu and Huawei did not respond to requests for comment. Nvidia declined to comment.

Huawei's website says it has since 2020 collaborated with Baidu to make its AI platform compatible with Huawei hardware. In August, the two companies said they would deepen compatibility between Baidu’s Ernie AI model and Huawei’s Ascend chips.

Baidu has developed its own line of Kunlun AI chips, which the company says supports large-scale AI computing, but the company has mainly relied on Nvidia's A100 chip to train its LLM.

After the U.S. last year imposed rules stopping Nvidia from selling its A100 and H100 chips to China, the company issued new A800 and H800 chips as alternatives for Chinese customers, including Baidu. Nvidia is no longer able to sell those chips to China because of the October rules.

HUAWEI OPPORTUNITY

Analysts predicted last month that the U.S. curbs would create an opening for Huawei to expand in its $7 billion home market. The company has been the subject of U.S. export controls since 2019.

The order adds to signs of technological advances for Huawei, as Beijing pours investment into its domestic semiconductor industry to help it catch up with overseas peers and urges state-owned firms to replace foreign technology with domestic alternatives.

Huawei drew substantial global attention in August when it unexpectedly unveiled a new smartphone that analysts said uses internally developed processors featuring advanced semiconductor technology, highlighting the company's progress in chip development despite sanctions.

In September, Reuters reported that Huawei's in-house chip design unit, HiSilicon, had commenced shipments of newly developed Chinese-made processors for surveillance cameras to clients in 2023 in another comeback sign.

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